| 00:02 | kaja | ah ok |
| 00:03 | kaja | kermit: well shouldn't my password be a little more secure then? it's not md5'd or anything |
| 00:03 | kaja | plaintext |
| 00:04 | kaja | kermit: in about 20 minutes when i've loaded every block, could you please send me the smallest amount of currency? 0.01 bitcoins or whatever it is |
| 00:04 | kaja | and i'll send it back to you |
| 00:04 | kaja | i just want to test it :) |
| 00:16 | doublec | kaja, try freebitcoins.appspot.com |
| 00:17 | doublec | kaja, they'll send you 0.05 coins |
| 00:17 | kaja | doublec: ah |
| 00:18 | smop | yeah |
| 00:18 | smop | i should get some bitcoins |
| 00:19 | smop | but i don't have all the blocks yet |
| 00:19 | smop | actaully |
| 00:19 | smop | it was because i didn't have it added in mse |
| 00:19 | smop | was reading through the wiki |
| 00:19 | smop | i went from like 5k blocks |
| 00:19 | smop | to 50k blocks |
| 00:20 | kaja | if i haven't loaded all of the blocks yet but i've already requested a free bitcoin, then i'll get it when my blocks are loaded, right? |
| 00:21 | doublec | yes |
| 00:21 | nanotube | kaja: yes, as long as you give them the correct address :) |
| 00:21 | kaja | cool. i approve of this idea of universal internet money |
| 00:22 | kaja | pretty soon there will be internet nationalism |
| 00:25 | kaja | hmm bitcoind doesn't seem to be working. if i close bitcoin, run bitcoind for a while, then reopen bitcoin, it shows that the number of blocks loaded hasn't increased |
| 00:26 | smop | kaja: are you using windows ? |
| 00:27 | briareus | getblockcount = 82499 |
| 00:29 | kaja | smop: linux |
| 00:30 | doublec | kaja, how long is 'for a while' |
| 00:30 | doublec | kaja, and what block count does bitcoind and bitcoin show? |
| 00:36 | kaja | hm, nevermind. i made a typo in the rpcpassword line |
| 00:36 | kaja | :P |
| 00:54 | kaja | fedorared: azndan? |
| 00:55 | fedorared | ? |
| 00:55 | kaja | sorry |
| 00:55 | fedorared | np |
| 00:55 | kaja | i know a guy whose nickname on the internet is 'fedorare' |
| 00:55 | kaja | i thought it was you |
| 00:55 | kaja | but i guess it isn't |
| 00:55 | fedorared | Ah. |
| 00:56 | kaja | his name is Dan and he's asian. Some fat weirdo with a webcam tried to harrass him on the internet calling him 'azndan'. It stuck as a nickname |
| 00:57 | Kiba | what zup bitcoiners |
| 00:57 | Kiba | I got a web app coming soon that will accept bitcoin |
| 00:57 | kaja | i'm making some internet moneys |
| 00:57 | kaja | Kiba: what's it do? |
| 00:58 | Kiba | leavage RPG game mechanic to help achevie your goal in life. |
| 00:58 | kaja | someone should make a subscription porno that takes bitcoin |
| 00:58 | Kiba | it's a mininum viable product right now |
| 00:58 | kaja | THEN it would get off the ground |
| 00:58 | Kiba | I am launching it now so I can gather feedback on where to go next |
| 00:59 | bitbot | 0.31 |
| 00:59 | Kiba | ;math calc 5 * 0.062 |
| 00:59 | Kiba | ;math calc 5 / 0.062 |
| 00:59 | bitbot | 80.6451612903 |
| 00:59 | Kiba | apperantly, that will be 80 bitcoins a month |
| 01:00 | Kiba | the idea is 15 days trial, 5 bucks a month. |
| 01:00 | smop | nice |
| 01:01 | Kiba | smop: you can use it now for free since I didn't implement the business model yet... |
| 01:01 | Kiba | http://soulplaying.com |
| 01:01 | Kiba | think of it as a TODO list with built-in RPG elements |
| 01:01 | smop | sight didn't load |
| 01:01 | smop | site |
| 01:02 | kaja | yeah not working |
| 01:02 | Kiba | oh... |
| 01:02 | Kiba | must be DNS propogation didn't spread out across the internet yet |
| 01:02 | Kiba | soulplaying.heroku.com |
| 01:03 | Kiba | I can access it |
| 01:03 | Kiba | it look crappy..hmm |
| 01:03 | redengin | lol, grinding irl |
| 01:04 | smop | see ess ess is choppy |
| 01:04 | smop | redengin: would do well |
| 01:04 | smop | if maybe it gave you lots of positive feedback |
| 01:04 | smop | and had some sort of metagame |
| 01:04 | smop | like rescuetime just tracks your shit and that's it |
| 01:04 | smop | actually thats what most of them do |
| 01:06 | Kiba | negative feedback are worse than postive feedback |
| 01:06 | kaja | Kiba: neat idea. i've been looking for something like this |
| 01:06 | smop | yeah |
| 01:06 | Kiba | but you don't incur them when you're done with the quest. |
| 01:06 | Kiba | the failure is alway higher than positive reward, as incentive to make you do them |
| 01:07 | Kiba | kaja: it have some bugs and kinks to work out. |
| 01:08 | Kiba | once I upgrade the framework, than I will work adding business model feature |
| 01:10 | kaja | Kiba: how does "EXP points" work? |
| 01:13 | Kiba | you earn them than you level up |
| 01:13 | kaja | oh ok so a reward of 10 means i'll get 10 experience points |
| 01:13 | kaja | and when i get 100 i level up |
| 01:15 | Kiba | yup |
| 01:15 | kaja | cool |
| 01:16 | redengin | and then chicks will like you :) |
| 01:16 | kaja | Kiba: you need to implement a way to break down todo items |
| 01:16 | kaja | Kiba: so that there's sub-todo items |
| 01:17 | kaja | Kiba: and a % complete calculation for each todo |
| 01:17 | kaja | Kiba: so say my quest is "Build a new computer" |
| 01:17 | kaja | Kiba: then under it there will be "Buy a motherboard", "Install Arch Linux", and so on |
| 01:17 | kaja | and if i do 2/10 things, then my quest is 20% complete |
| 01:18 | Kiba | yes, I got that very clearly |
| 01:21 | smop | I GOT MY .05 BITCOINS! |
| 01:22 | nanotube | smop: o/ :) |
| 01:22 | smop | that's like almost 1 bitcoin |
| 01:22 | smop | wait |
| 01:22 | smop | is there like a cents |
| 01:22 | smop | kind of like how you have dollars and cents |
| 01:22 | smop | or is everything just coins |
| 01:23 | fedorared | There are fractions of coins, called bitcents given the hundedths accuracy of the client |
| 01:24 | fedorared | the 8th is possible supposedly |
| 01:26 | Kiba | my app would be the latest addition to the bitcoin economy |
| 01:27 | Kiba | as soon as I got business model features working that is |
| 01:48 | briareus | getblockcount = 82499 |
| 02:09 | lfm | ;bn |
| 02:09 | lfm | rn |
| 02:09 | lfm | ;rn |
| 02:09 | bitbot | lfm: CurrentBlockCount( 82,508 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 917.8309374400 ) NextDifficultyAt( 82,656 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 148 blocks ) |
| 02:10 | lfm | ;estimate |
| 02:10 | bitbot | lfm: LastDiff(9d 02:03:38 ago) ExpBlocks(1308) ActualBlocks(1868) TrgNewDiffDate(2010/10/03 02:04:07 GMT) EstNewDiffDate(2010/09/28 21:24:21 GMT) EstNewDiff(1310.78607885) |
| 02:12 | Keefe | 17 hours til adjust |
| 02:26 | jgarzik | there's a bid for 20,000 BTC on mtgox |
| 02:26 | jgarzik | @ 0.06 |
| 02:27 | jgarzik | hmmm, maybe that's total bids |
| 02:28 | doublec | price dropped a bit in the last few hours |
| 02:30 | jgarzik | someone should maintain a wiki page with notable press mentions for bitcoin |
| 02:54 | Keefe | only 1 pip spread at mtgox at the moment :) |
| 03:27 | lfm | ;market |
| 03:27 | bitbot | lfm: Last(bcm:0.0635, mtgox:0.062) High(bcm:0.0625, mtgox:0.0623) Low(bcm:0.0606, mtgox:0.0617) BestBuyPrice(bcm:0.068, mtgox:0.062) Volume(bcm:600, mtgox:12963) |
| 04:35 | lfm | ;estimate |
| 04:35 | bitbot | lfm: LastDiff(9d 04:29:07 ago) ExpBlocks(1322) ActualBlocks(1887) TrgNewDiffDate(2010/10/03 02:04:07 GMT) EstNewDiffDate(2010/09/28 21:37:36 GMT) EstNewDiff(1310.09605064) |
| 04:35 | lfm | ;rn |
| 04:35 | bitbot | lfm: CurrentBlockCount( 82,527 blocks ) CurrentDifficulty( 917.8309374400 ) NextDifficultyAt( 82,656 blocks ) NextDifficultyIn( 129 blocks ) |
| 05:06 | joe_1 | i need to hire a web designer for my bitcoin site |
| 05:15 | joe_1 | hey |
| 05:19 | grondilu | Hi, I wrote a bash function to play rock-paper-scissor on IRC ! I guess one might play for bitcoins. http://pastebin.ca/1950204 |
| 05:24 | grondilu | oops |
| 05:25 | joe_1 | let me play |
| 05:26 | grondilu | a much simpler version : |
| 05:26 | grondilu | rps() { echo "[email protected]" sha1sum <<<"[email protected]" | cut -d' ' -f1 |
| 05:26 | grondilu | joe_1: wanna try ? |
| 05:27 | joe_1 | k |
| 05:27 | grondilu | rps() { echo "[email protected]" ; sha1sum <<<"[email protected]" | cut -d' ' -f1 ; } |
| 05:28 | grondilu | so you exec 'rps choice xxxxx' where choice is your choice 'rock' 'paper' or 'scissors' and xxxx is some noise you type on the keyboard. |
| 05:28 | grondilu | this you copy the second line of the output here. |
| 05:28 | grondilu | s/this/then/ |
| 05:29 | grondilu | I get this : 3d60a159bfd51d92507cf07dfbc393f0a36741e2 |
| 05:29 | grondilu | your turn. |
| 05:29 | joe_1 | im on a windows box atm |
| 05:29 | grondilu | you don't have bash ? |
| 05:30 | grondilu | cygwin or something ? |
| 05:30 | joe_1 | not here right now |
| 05:30 | grondilu | too bad |
| 05:30 | joe_1 | yea |
| 05:31 | joe_1 | i couldnt brute force your guess? |
| 05:32 | grondilu | I doubt you can, if my noise is long enough. |
| 05:35 | joe_1 | thats pretty cool |
| 05:36 | grondilu | I can also enter something like "rps rock $RANDOM$RANDOM$RANDOM$RANDOM" |
| 05:37 | joe_1 | oh true |
| 05:37 | grondilu | or, as in my first version, "rps paper $(head -c 16 /dev/random/|xxd -p)" |
| 05:38 | joe_1 | wat is xxd |
| 05:39 | grondilu | converts binary into hexadecimal |
| 05:39 | joe_1 | oh ok |
| 05:39 | joe_1 | but you dont necessarily have to use that you could leave that out right? |
| 05:40 | grondilu | yeah, you can just type crap such as jnkgndnfkjdgfkheurrfre?? |
| 05:40 | joe_1 | well i mean without the xxd |
| 05:40 | grondilu | no, you need xxd to get ascii |
| 05:40 | grondilu | /dev/random is a binary file |
| 05:41 | joe_1 | oh because bash will throw up if it doesnt evaluate to ascii? |
| 05:41 | grondilu | well, your terminal won't be happy. |
| 05:41 | joe_1 | oo |
| 05:41 | joe_1 | ok |
| 05:41 | joe_1 | cause your thing probably echo's back what you typed in |
| 05:42 | grondilu | it does indeed |
| 05:42 | grondilu | at the end you have to show the initial string to your opponent, to prove him that you won. |
| 05:43 | joe_1 | ha thats cool |
| 05:43 | grondilu | (if you won) |
| 05:46 | joe_1 | have you been to my new casino yet |
| 05:48 | grondilu | no. I don't play money games, but for some time I was curious about how to build some. |
| 05:48 | joe_1 | yeah right now its just roulette but i'm trying to put in poker |
| 05:48 | grondilu | If you like my rock-paper-scissor function, you can give me some bitcoin :-) 1B2iTej3NC4LPL3PhSZiFBdB4chqZrNuck |
| 05:49 | grondilu | you have a roulette website ? |
| 05:49 | joe_1 | yeah it is at cashcow.no-ip.org |
| 05:50 | grondilu | ok |
| 05:50 | joe_1 | i can get you started with a couple bitcoins just let me know what your username is |
| 05:51 | grondilu | why do I have to register ?? |
| 05:52 | joe_1 | no |
| 05:52 | grondilu | I thought the point of bitcoins was that you don't have to register anywhere. |
| 05:52 | joe_1 | i |
| 05:52 | joe_1 | 'll send 2 btc to that address |
| 05:53 | grondilu | oh sorry : "Easy No-Form Signup: Enter desired credentials and click Log In" |
| 05:53 | grondilu | hang on |
| 05:55 | grondilu | ok my username is just grondilu |
| 05:56 | joe_1 | ive updated your account with 5 BTC |
| 05:56 | grondilu | ok I'll play them :) |
| 05:56 | grondilu | thks |
| 05:56 | joe_1 | np |
| 05:58 | grondilu | it's my first bitcoins actually, how long does it take to receive it ? |
| 05:58 | joe_1 | immediate |
| 05:58 | grondilu | ah |
| 05:59 | grondilu | on mybitcoin I read "Account Balance is: 0.00 BTC" |
| 05:59 | joe_1 | just move the bitcoins into your checking account and withdraw |
| 05:59 | joe_1 | ok move the bitcoins into your checking account |
| 05:59 | grondilu | I don't get it. |
| 05:59 | joe_1 | In cashcow, find where it says Transfer [ ] BTC from [Checking to Casino] |
| 06:00 | joe_1 | Change it to say Casino to Checking, then enter 5. Then click Go |
| 06:00 | grondilu | oh |
| 06:00 | grondilu | I see |
| 06:00 | grondilu | hang on |
| 06:02 | doublec | I don't think mybitcoin will allow you to use the balance until it's confirmed |
| 06:02 | grondilu | ok |
| 06:02 | grondilu | then I just press "Launch roulette" ? |
| 06:02 | Diablo-D3 | HASHIN! |
| 06:02 | joe_1 | no- if you want to play roulette move the coins back to your casino account |
| 06:03 | joe_1 | if you want to put them in to your mybitcoin account, then keep them in checking, and use the other form that says pay out to a foreign address |
| 06:04 | grondilu | damned it, that's not trivial. |
| 06:04 | joe_1 | it's 2 accounts to prevent people from going crazy at the roulette table |
| 06:05 | grondilu | ok I have 1 in casino, and 4 in checking. I guess now I can press "launch roulette" and it will bet 1 BTC, right ? |
| 06:05 | joe_1 | yes |
| 06:05 | grondilu | ok, I'll do that. |
| 06:06 | grondilu | well, it opened a new window ?! |
| 06:07 | grondilu | a flash anim is loading |
| 06:08 | joe_1 | thats ok it will be fast once its up |
| 06:08 | grondilu | wow |
| 06:11 | grondilu | I click on "even" but nothing happens. |
| 06:12 | grondilu | something's wrong. Maybe it's my browser (I'm using uzbl). |
| 06:12 | joe_1 | oh, wow, i cant seem to reproduce the problem you're having |
| 06:12 | joe_1 | when you click even a chip should appear there, then you have to click spin |
| 06:15 | grondilu | webkit is not very good with flash. I'll try again with an other browser. |
| 06:19 | grondilu | I feel bad having received your bitcoins while I can't play. Give me your bitcoin address so that I give you your 5BTC back. |
| 06:19 | joe_1 | dont worry abou it |
| 06:20 | grondilu | I'll go to the library later, I'll be able to use an other machine. I'll try again. |
| 06:22 | joe_1 | ok |
| 06:22 | grondilu | Your site seems fine, but IMO you should consider making a plain text interface for people who have non standard plateform. |
| 06:23 | joe_1 | Yeah, Im thinking of putting that in soon. I have already received feedback from others that they dont like flash in general |
| 06:24 | grondilu | If you do so, may I suggest you use the hash method I've described here for my paper-rock-sciss, so that the user can always check that the game was fair. |
| 06:25 | kermit | hmm i thought hte FAQ said bitcoin supported smaller amounts than 1/100 unit |
| 06:31 | joe_1 | the system does but the client may not |
| 06:33 | joe_1 | does anyone know the url to the poker room |
| 06:38 | doublec | joe_1, what poker room? |
| 06:38 | doublec | joe_1, how are your html 5 skills? You could do a canvas based roulette implementation. |
| 06:39 | kermit | joe_1: oh, i can change that :) |
| 06:41 | joe_1 | haha -- i dont even know what html 5 is |
| 06:41 | joe_1 | the Bitcoin Poker Room under the Marketplace in bitcoin.org forums |
| 06:42 | joe_1 | How would a canvas based implementation work? is that where you have the image, and then box out each place on the image to correspond to a different hyperlink? |
| 06:42 | joe_1 | I could just make a table with some javascript |
| 06:43 | kermit | briareus: were you evre able to compile or get a binary that worked on that system? |
| 06:43 | kermit | briareus: oh wait i forgot, bitcoind ran, nevermind |
| 06:56 | doublec | joe_1, <canvas> gives you an area on the page that you can address direct pixel data |
| 06:56 | doublec | joe_1, for an example: http://bluishcoder.co.nz/js8080 |
| 06:56 | doublec | click 'animate' on that page |
| 06:56 | doublec | the area where the game is drawn is a canvas |
| 06:57 | doublec | assuming you have a browser that supports canvas of course |
| 06:59 | doublec | it's the browser vendors attempt to counter flash usage |
| 07:00 | joe_1 | but i thought mapping regions of images has been around forever in html |
| 07:00 | doublec | canvas is different. It lets you access individual pixels, draw lines and curves, etc |
| 07:02 | doublec | here's an example of a roulette-like thing: http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/creating-a-roulette-wheel-using-html5-canvas |
| 07:03 | doublec | restricting your game to canvas-supporting browsers may be a deal killer for you though |
| 07:03 | Diablo-D3 | you mean the majority of browsers? |
| 07:05 | doublec | yeah, the majority do currently support it |
| 07:05 | doublec | even the IE 9 beta does |
| 07:06 | Diablo-D3 | IE isnt in the majority. |
| 07:06 | doublec | I'm not sure what you are getting at |
| 07:07 | doublec | Chrome, Opera, Safari (including on mobile) and Firefox support it in release browsers |
| 07:07 | doublec | IE supports it in beta |
| 07:07 | Diablo-D3 | this is what Im saying |
| 07:07 | Diablo-D3 | anything webkit and firefox does it |
| 07:07 | Diablo-D3 | no one cares what msie does |
| 07:07 | joe_1 | haha |
| 07:08 | joe_1 | i dont know how to do graphic design i can only program |
| 07:13 | joe_1 | although i could try to put something togethre |
| 07:14 | joe_1 | right now im focused on getting poker on the website |
| 07:14 | joe_1 | not sure how to prioritize |
| 07:14 | doublec | you'll have the same problem with poker |
| 07:14 | doublec | some people will hate flash |
| 07:14 | doublec | some people will hate java |
| 07:14 | joe_1 | haha.. it will be java |
| 07:14 | joe_1 | because i have a java poker server/client that i made a few years ago |
| 07:14 | doublec | I say pick what you prefer, make money off those that use it, and then build some other version to please everyone else |
| 07:17 | kermit | who wants a free bitcoin? |
| 07:20 | UukGoblin | who wants a free beer? |
| 07:21 | kermit | what happens when you send to IP address that more than one person is using? |
| 07:21 | doublec | only one client would be listening on the port and they'd get it |
| 07:22 | doublec | I guess |
| 07:22 | kermit | oh |
| 07:22 | doublec | giving out your IP address for receipt of money sounds a tad risky though |
| 07:23 | joe_1 | isnt java safe? |
| 07:23 | doublec | it's as safe as flash |
| 07:24 | kermit | doublec: how so? |
| 07:24 | kermit | er, how is java unsafe, i mean |
| 07:24 | doublec | kermit, I didn't say it was unsafe |
| 07:25 | doublec | flash and java are both virtual machines running in the browser |
| 07:25 | kermit | oh i misread, sorry |
| 07:25 | doublec | so they'd have the same risks |
| 07:25 | kermit | so did i just break the whole thing by seding .00001 btc? heh |
| 07:25 | kermit | the UI didnt want me to |
| 07:25 | doublec | I am probably in a minority in that I don't mind flash or java apps |
| 07:26 | doublec | But I prefer html based apps if possible |
| 07:26 | doublec | kermit, so you're the one that just crashed all the bitcoin clients!?! |
| 07:28 | kermit | haha |
| 07:28 | joe_1 | wow mine's down too |
| 07:28 | kermit | it is not :P all my peers are still htere |
| 07:29 | lfm | someone just sent a bunch of fees |
| 07:30 | kermit | where do the fees go? |
| 07:33 | lfm | they get added to the 50.00 reward |
| 07:35 | kermit | you mean the 50 you get for a block? at some point fees will be incured faster than new coins will be made |
| 07:37 | kermit | omg someone deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin |
| 07:37 | Diablo-D3 | yes, wikipedia is non-notable |
| 07:37 | joe_1 | wikipedia is worthless now. everything is deleted |
| 07:38 | joe_1 | they're trying to be a "real" encyclopedia |
| 07:39 | bonsaikitten | deleterians are really confused |
| 07:39 | bonsaikitten | how does removing valid content make an encyclopedia mor relevant? |
| 07:40 | UukGoblin | hmm I've earned 50.00000010 with one of my generated blocks |
| 07:40 | kermit | i dont really understand wikipedia, an article is only a few KB, thast not worth one human's blink to bother deleting |
| 07:40 | UukGoblin | and now I can't transfer it to my master account because |
| 07:40 | UukGoblin | SendMoney() : Error: This is an oversized transaction that requires a transaction fee of 0.01 |
| 07:40 | UukGoblin | (when I try to transfer 50.0000001 |
| 07:40 | UukGoblin | ) |
| 07:40 | kermit | so just transfer 50 |
| 07:41 | lfm | leave a couple cents behind |
| 07:41 | UukGoblin | but why is it an oversized transaction? |
| 07:41 | UukGoblin | shouldn't be |
| 07:41 | lfm | needs to leave more than 0.01 behind |
| 07:42 | lfm | thats wrong message. it is an undersized transaction (the change part) |
| 07:42 | UukGoblin | trying to send 50.00 results in the same |
| 07:42 | lfm | try 49.99 |
| 07:42 | UukGoblin | that went |
| 07:43 | UukGoblin | I'm 0.01000010 down |
| 07:43 | lfm | Its cuz some silly bastard was playing with microcents |
| 07:44 | FreeMoney | do you have the newest version? |
| 07:44 | lfm | Satoshi is aware of the problem, I think there is some code to deal with it in the next version |
| 07:45 | FreeMoney | oh, I thought it was already out |
| 07:45 | lfm | not in 0.3.12 yet afaik |
| 07:55 | AAA_awright | Like maybe removing the transaction fee? |
| 07:55 | lfm | huh? I think his fix was to add more fees |
| 07:56 | AAA_awright | What good would that do? |
| 07:56 | lfm | he passes on the microcents to someone else. |
| 07:57 | AAA_awright | I'm lost, if the problem is too many fees, the solution is remove the fees. |
| 07:57 | lfm | youd have to ask him why he thinks its a good idea |
| 07:57 | lfm | the problem isnt really too many fees. its cuz someone is putting out really tiny ones that he wasnt expecting |
| 07:57 | AAA_awright | If you are trying to prevent a flood I don't see how that's helpful. Plus, you are setting an arbitrary tax. |
| 07:58 | kermit | sorry |
| 07:58 | AAA_awright | UukGoblin: What's the problem then? |
| 07:59 | kermit | the faq said it supported it http://www.bitcoin.org/faq#How_divisible_are_Bitcoins |
| 07:59 | UukGoblin | AAA_awright, I can't transmit MY money to MYSELF |
| 07:59 | UukGoblin | without paying a fee (and I believe the current JSON-RPC doesn't allow for even sending out a fee) |
| 07:59 | lfm | 0.0000010 fees winding up in someones reward then the cleint trying to stop so called dust with convoluted logic |
| 08:00 | AAA_awright | Why the fee again? |
| 08:00 | AAA_awright | What conditions is the fee triggered? |
| 08:00 | AAA_awright | Your fee that you don't like |
| 08:01 | AAA_awright | >=50 seems rather arbitrary |
| 08:01 | UukGoblin | if there are fees implemented, PEOPLE should be able to choose how much they're charging, not satoshi |
| 08:01 | lfm | cuz some silly bastard was playing around and causing trouble |
| 08:01 | spaetz | UukGoblin: there is a command line option to set the fee you want to charge afaik |
| 08:01 | lfm | UukGoblin, you are free to change it, it is open source |
| 08:02 | AAA_awright | How is someone causing trouble again? |
| 08:02 | UukGoblin | lfm, but only a small percentage of people will download my version ;-] |
| 08:02 | AAA_awright | What difference does it make what amount you are sending over the network? |
| 08:02 | UukGoblin | it's not a /huge/ trouble, just breaking my auto-transfer scripts ;-) |
| 08:02 | lfm | UukGoblin, you don't need everyone to run it, just you |
| 08:02 | UukGoblin | I can't send 50.0000001 from one account to another |
| 08:03 | UukGoblin | lfm, but no-one will accept my transaction |
| 08:03 | AAA_awright | How is some "silly bastard" making it so you are charged a fee based on if your transaction is over 50 or not? |
| 08:03 | lfm | UukGoblin, actually everyone will accept it |
| 08:03 | UukGoblin | lfm, oh, I didn't realize that |
| 08:03 | lfm | the test is on the creation of the transaction, not when it comes from the net |
| 08:03 | UukGoblin | lol. |
| 08:04 | UukGoblin | that doesn't prevent anything then |
| 08:04 | lfm | UukGoblin, right, thats how the 0.00001 was created in the first place, by the "silly bastard" making a special version for himself |
| 08:04 | UukGoblin | right. |
| 08:05 | UukGoblin | I thought he found some other hole |
| 08:05 | lfm | nope, its more of a design feature |
| 08:05 | AAA_awright | I didn't know there was any client-side limit...? |
| 08:05 | UukGoblin | it's a bit pointless then |